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Post by hawksfan79 on Nov 30, 2009 17:35:16 GMT -5
I was playing around with the classification numbers that the WIAA posted today and came up with the following top end numbers as per their number of schools in each classification and counting those schools that have already, there are other schools that could opt up and the numbers could change. Here is what I came up with:
1B 0-87
2B 88-193
1A 194-492
2A 493-934
3A 935-1303
4A 1304-2560
Again, this is just my figuring out the numbers. We will know for sure around the 15th.
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Post by Red & Black on Nov 30, 2009 20:03:38 GMT -5
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Post by Coug Coach on Nov 30, 2009 21:12:11 GMT -5
The percentages are not set yet because schools can still opt up or down. One error though on the count, Lyle-Wishram is 77.38. We will be 1B in 2010.
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Post by prescottiger on Dec 1, 2009 16:37:10 GMT -5
At the end of the list, it says Wishram has 15-plus students. Does the 77.38 listed under Lyle include those Wishram kids? Also, it looks like Touchet is flirting with moving to 2B. Is that right? Surprising.
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Post by prescottiger on Dec 1, 2009 16:38:22 GMT -5
What small 2B programs might play 8-man/ineligible next year? Some teams barely above the cutoff that struggle to put enough players on the field to play 11man.
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Post by hawksfan79 on Dec 1, 2009 16:55:59 GMT -5
At the end of the list, it says Wishram has 15-plus students. Does the 77.38 listed under Lyle include those Wishram kids? Also, it looks like Touchet is flirting with moving to 2B. Is that right? Surprising. The WIAA made a mistake when they put just Lyle and the 77.38, that number also includes the Wishram kids. We called them yesterday and they were going to go in and correct their mistake. |
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Post by SCSfan on Dec 2, 2009 19:40:17 GMT -5
At the 1B classification, the WIAA set the student head count for 2008-10 at a range of 0-87 students. The schools that were alive in the semifinals (Cusick, Lummi, Neah Bay, and Tricities Prep) seem to be the 1B schools at the top or high end of the student head count. Would these schools be eligible for the 1B 8-man football playoffs if student head counts were taken today? Will they be eligible for playoffs next year?
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Post by GridironBeez on Dec 2, 2009 21:40:22 GMT -5
They count your senior classes and you never play with them. Senior class count compared to another class (jr, so, fr.) could be a significant difference in either direction for any school. So at schools this size you could graduate 20 seniors and your incoming freshman class could be 10. Or you graduate 10 and your incoming class could be 20. That 10 students could put you into the 2B ranks and you may only have 1 or even no football players out of those 10 kids.
I know that many teams are having trouble fielding football programs with small turnout #'s. Cusick and TCP have small turnouts, less than 18 or so on each team in the Semi-Final game.
Neah Bay and Lummi have much bigger rosters. School size is often tough to determine in regards to Football roster size. Often times at the 1B level (or schools under 100 students) there is no rhyme or reason when it comes to football programs and number of players available to a coach or participating.
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Post by GridironBeez on Dec 2, 2009 21:46:45 GMT -5
At the 1B classification, the WIAA set the student head count for 2008-10 at a range of 0-87 students. The schools that were alive in the semifinals (Cusick, Lummi, Neah Bay, and Tricities Prep) seem to be the 1B schools at the top or high end of the student head count. Would these schools be eligible for the 1B 8-man football playoffs if student head counts were taken today? Will they be eligible for playoffs next year? Also, there is never any comon denominator between larger 1B schools consistently being in the top 4. It is the schools that happen to have a good number of boys and happen to get a good number of boys out for football. That is the bottom line. You could have 90 kids and 35 of them are boys and only 15 come out for football or are actually physically able to handle football. DeSales has been one of the smallest 2B schools for some time (they could play 8-man) and they do very well (great) because for whatever reason they have been fortunate to have a good percentage of boys that participate in football there. Same with LaCrosse-Washtucna in 1B, same with Columbia-Hunters and ACH. They have boys and the boys happen to be able to play (participate in) football. Nothing more than that, other than also having a solid coach ;D. |
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Post by Compass Rose on Dec 3, 2009 1:05:03 GMT -5
One thing that plays into TCP's low numbers in football is the school's very popular (and successful) Cross Country team. That gets a MASSIVE turnout, given the size of the school.
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Post by Flexbone on Dec 4, 2009 21:53:46 GMT -5
Four west side teams from District 4 have already put in their paperwork to opt up. Willapa Valley, Pe Ell, Naselle and Morton. Naselle and Morton might be over the count anyways but Pe Ell and Willapa Valley would be under. Those two teams would have made the look out west very different...especially Willapa Valley..
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Post by chitwhin20 on Dec 5, 2009 0:16:12 GMT -5
Four west side teams from District 4 have already put in their paperwork to opt up. Willapa Valley, Pe Ell, Naselle and Morton. Naselle and Morton might be over the count anyways but Pe Ell and Willapa Valley would be under. Those two teams would have made the look out west very different...especially Willapa Valley.. For sure! |
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Post by SCSfan on Dec 5, 2009 0:56:36 GMT -5
It does not necessarily matter how many players turn out for a football team. What matters is how many players a school has to select from to make a football team. The larger the school, the more athletes the football program has to draw from and the more competitive that football team will be. So one school may only have 15 players on its football team, but if it is drawing players from a student count of 110, then it has a significant advantage as compared to a school that has 15 players on its football team but is only drawing from a student body of 55. And to be sure, the 15 players from the smaller school may be more talented and better coached. But there is no denying the fact that a school with twice the number of students of other schools has a tremendous advantage in 1B 8-man football.
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Post by qbdad on Dec 5, 2009 23:57:04 GMT -5
I agree with flexbone, if Willapa played 1B the gold ball would stay put in Pacific County.
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Post by Mighty Eskimo on Dec 6, 2009 0:04:19 GMT -5
And yet, the games still have to be played. Teams that opt up and their fans should feel fortunate they've got that ability, but let's not hear about the "what ifs" about playing down. I, for one, applaud teams like La Salle, Gonzaga Prep, and others (like those in Pacific Co) who know what they've got and do the right thing by playing up.
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Post by CoachK on Dec 9, 2009 11:44:59 GMT -5
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