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Post by wvhsfan on Nov 9, 2009 22:30:08 GMT -5
Last year instant replay could have been used a game or two IMHO but it is up to you to be the judge.
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Post by chitwhin20 on Nov 9, 2009 23:02:50 GMT -5
Has anyone watched the film of that title game last year? I thought it was interesting that on the infamous 4th down, the 1st ref spots the ball for what would have been a 1st down. Then the ref who made the 2 previous bad spots comes running across the field shaking his head and pointing behind the 1st spot. After a brief discussion the 1st ref gives in and the 2nd ref spots the ball short of the 1st down. Anyway, since wvhsfan brought it up I thought I'd just share what I saw on film. Not sure it would have been overturned even if there was instant replay. What seemed like a bad spot at the time seemed even more glaring on film. Not implying it was intentional, just that it happened.
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Post by Warrior Defense on Nov 10, 2009 9:30:45 GMT -5
I do not want to see it in Highschool football. Calls go both ways for teams throughout he season. You win some you loose some. Instant replay would allow coaches to abuse the system and cause more problems than it would fix. IMHO!!!! And anyone who knows me knows I do not always agree with the calls but .....The officials do their best and we have gotten some calls both ways.
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Post by Compass Rose on Nov 10, 2009 9:35:55 GMT -5
I'm with Warrior D on this. Reffing is a part of the game, for good and ill. Errors that occur allow for opportunities to model and teach good sportsmanship, a concept that is utterly lost at the pro level and weaker than a newborn baby under an elephant's foot at the D1 college level.
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Post by LoggerPride on Nov 10, 2009 12:46:01 GMT -5
Officials are not going to get every call right and we, as coaches, don't always make the right calls in every situation in every game either.
Mistakes are part of the game, whomever makes them. Besides, one call does not make a game-it may seem like it at the time.
There are so many other things that could have been done differently throughout the course of a game that many people besides coaches don't notice. A dropped pass, a missed block, a missed tackle, a penalty. Any of these things that happen during a game can effect the outcome for one side or the other.
It isn't always the officials, but their mistakes are magnified more than a coaches mistakes or decisions often are.
Instant replay has no place in high school athletics.
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Post by Indian Fan on Nov 10, 2009 15:38:47 GMT -5
Also, getting the correct camera angles would be problematic for many calls. You already see that in NFL games and they have a bazillion cameras shooting from every conceivable position. Instant replay in HS football would create more problems than it would solve IMO.
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Post by GridironBeez on Nov 10, 2009 18:21:28 GMT -5
No instant replay in H.S. at Title games or anywhere else. It is not the kids livelyhood (jobs) playing high school football and even bad calls teach lessons on restraint and dealing with adversity regardless of who, what, where.
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Post by wvhsfan on Nov 11, 2009 23:19:49 GMT -5
IMHO, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT DOES BELONG, because there is no evidence to say that when you get into a position of winning the state title, and realizing your dreams, then, "THE SPOT", It doesn't Hurt.something?........WOW, DOES THAT HELP ANYTHING? WHY THE HECK ARE WE HERE? Boys, Girls, Players, Coaches and Moderators, Please Listen to me: TO WIN: IS PART OF THE GAME THUS, If you show up to.... get better at sportsmanship, or encourage another to succeed, is complete BS and Your Drive to Win is diminished. Sportsmanship and Character gain is part of the process of winning. OK...SO...AGAIN..JMHO but to put my money where my mouth is, I will start the donations, someone help me organize You just don't know until it happens to your team, I am prepared to hear it all, I promise! I just cant sit around and take this anymore!!!!!!
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Post by Compass Rose on Nov 12, 2009 0:15:59 GMT -5
What is the purpose of HS athletics? To win, to the exclusion of all else? How is this then different than pro sports? How is it then not a simple activity of the marketplace?
I'm not in education for the buying and selling of children, or making money on some commodity. I am in it for the development of young people into fully human beings. Winning is a part, and only a small part of that effort.
If winning becomes the end all, then sports should not be in high school. Sports should then be club activities, with payoffs, salaries and all the neato things that make pro sports so appealing.
wvhsfan, I appreciate your passion. But you are DEAD WRONG on this topic. Plain and simple.
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Post by Compass Rose on Nov 12, 2009 0:23:15 GMT -5
Instant replay did not save the Seahawks in the StuporBowl some years back.
We are losing our sense of mission with kids if we go to instant replay.
And I want to reiterate what Coach Rooney said:
It has no place in HS athletics. We are already struggling with creeping commercialism in the form of sponsorships and Friday Night Light movies. Instant replay adds to this terrible miasma of turning HS sports into commercialized, pro-light sports. Save the kids from this pressure. Keep it simple.
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Post by knights7 on Nov 12, 2009 0:28:49 GMT -5
What is the purpose of HS athletics? To win, to the exclusion of all else? How is this then different than pro sports? How is it then not a simple activity of the marketplace? I'm not in education for the buying and selling of children, or making money on some commodity. I am in it for the development of young people into fully human beings. Winning is a part, and only a small part of that effort. If winning becomes the end all, then sports should not be in high school. Sports should then be club activities, with payoffs, salaries and all the neato things that make pro sports so appealing. Hear hear. I like your style.
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Post by qbdad on Nov 12, 2009 0:55:31 GMT -5
No way on the instant replay idea but the winning thing is important. If it didn't matter who won than there wouldn't be a scoreboard. BUT if you can teach a kid to win and be humble or lose and still be proud of their accomplishments, than you've taught a life lesson. JMHO
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Post by Compass Rose on Nov 12, 2009 9:28:56 GMT -5
qbdad, I never said that winning isn't important. But when it becomes SO important that instant replay becomes necessary in HS sports, then we have a problem.
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Post by wvhsfan on Nov 12, 2009 9:52:17 GMT -5
I played football in the early 90's, and I was taught that if you were thinking of winning, you were thinking of the right stuff. and personally I think that that hard hitting, and drive to win (in some cases) has been replaced with more feel good principals (EG. some teams have got soft) Personally I like seeing both, but to get back to it........I would pay for it to be installed, if it would stop what happened to the WV players at the end of last season, to me, its more about equal fairness on the field, otherwise why call penalties or set rules? and I am not Dead Wrong
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Post by Coug Coach on Nov 12, 2009 10:55:39 GMT -5
I was at the Championship game last year. Several missed tackles here and there, bad pass coverage on more than a few occasions, missed blocks for PAT's. If a bad spot is all you can concentrate on, well then you missed a heck of a game by both teams. Let the players, from both teams, enjoy the experience they had last season.
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Post by Compass Rose on Nov 12, 2009 11:45:49 GMT -5
I was taught that if you were thinking of winning, you were thinking of the right stuff. and personally I think that that hard hitting, and drive to win (in some cases) has been replaced with more feel good principals (EG. some teams have got soft) Personally I like seeing both, but to get back to it........I would pay for it to be installed, if it would stop what happened to the WV players at the end of last season, to me, its more about equal fairness on the field, otherwise why call penalties or set rules? As I said, your passion is admirable. However, that cost part sounds rather overwhelming, don't you think?
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Post by hawksfan79 on Nov 12, 2009 11:58:08 GMT -5
I didn't get to see the game last year and from what I'm reading, The Spot, is the only reason that LWK won, right?
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Post by Warrior Defense on Nov 12, 2009 13:46:19 GMT -5
I played football in the early 90's, and I was taught that if you were thinking of winning, you were thinking of the right stuff. and personally I think that that hard hitting, and drive to win (in some cases) has been replaced with more feel good principals (EG. some teams have got soft) Personally I like seeing both, but to get back to it........I would pay for it to be installed, if it would stop what happened to the WV players at the end of last season, to me, its more about equal fairness on the field, otherwise why call penalties or set rules? and I am not Dead WrongA bad spot...I would tend to agree, BUT that was not the only mistake of the game on either side. You cannot focus on on end of game call, mistake, missed opportunity, or any other excuse. Look at the full picture and realize "Football is a game on INCHES" we win some we loose some. That is why the sport is the best around. JMHO!!!!!
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Post by Stutes on Nov 12, 2009 15:42:28 GMT -5
The bad spot was not what decided the game. Wishkah got the ball back and didn't score. True the spot was a crap call and we all know it, but one call doesn't decide a game. But you look at the penalty's called by the refs that night wishkah had 14 against, when LWK only had 1. seems kinda one sided doesn't?
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Post by elkscoach on Nov 12, 2009 15:55:45 GMT -5
Good call Stutes! It was a tough game to lose, no doubt about that. And as a great fan of the Taylor boys, I hated to see the Loggers lose.
The penalty tally is a tough one to absorb to, but sometimes that happens. I'm glad to see that you haven't let the outcome of the game diminish your accomplishments! Way to go. And good luck the rest of the way this year..........................
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Post by chitwhin20 on Nov 12, 2009 16:08:52 GMT -5
I understand all of the reasons against replay, the biggest probably being cost/logistics, even if you toss out the moral debate. But, I think what gets wvhsfan fired up (just my observation) is that everyone downplays this bad call that happened. Everyone just says "oh bad calls just happen and they go both ways and they had plenty of chances to win etc. etc.", and all of those things are true. Wishkah did have a chance to stop LWK on defense to preserve the win and hats off to LWK for getting that last TD. But the context of the bad spot is WV gets the 1st down they kneel on it 3 times, game over. So, no it didn't LOSE the game for them, but it DID take away a SURE win. I dont want to speak for him, but I think wvhsfan is looking for a little validation for his frustration. Hell, I'm still pissed that the Seahawks got robbed in Superbowl XL. It's hard to let those things go when you are passionate about the situation, and it's easy to say 'let it go' when you aren't heavily invested emotionally. All that being said, that was easily the most exciting 8 man football game I've ever seen! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time and was amazed by Blauerts running style, one of the best performances I've seen by a RB, especially against such a tough opponent.
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